Campaign for Women's Votes in Our Mosques

Read the stories in the Scotsman and Scotland on Sunday regarding Nazia Iqbal getting her application to join Central Mosque's committee refused.
She and her friends have apparently organised a campaign for women's votes in our mosques.
Does anyone know how I can find out more about this campaign or get in touch with Nazia?

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I heard it's on FaceBook. I

I heard it's on FaceBook.

I am really disappointed that she went to the newspapers. I have a feeling she was driven to the newspapers by people with an agenda of their own.

First of all, I'd like to know the full details - was her application refused on a technicality, e.g. missing surname, or was it because she's a woman. Generally women don't apply to become members, but the last membership list did contain women.

The next question is - does one go straight to the newspapers every time one feels aggrieved? The women's lib movement mentioned are using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Couldn't she:

  1. Obtain clarification from the Mosque Staff
  2. Obtain clarification from the Mosque President
  3. Obtain clarification from the Mosque Property Trustees
  4. Obtain clarification from any of the above through a connected third party

She was told quite explicitly

She was told quite explicitly that there was a committee decision that was taken where it was agreed women wouldn't be members. There was no technicality, but an outright refusal to actually give her a form due to her gender.

The Constitution of the

The Constitution of the Mosque is clear in that women may become members.

The problem is that every man and his dog who works or hangs around in the Mosque thinks he's boss for the day.

As I mentioned before, there is a method for escalating grievances - such procedures exist in the universities and offices that we all work in, so why go to the papers in the case of a Mosque.

The article talks about suffragettes as if women are fighting for an entitlement, whereas the entitlement already exists.

Perhaps it may be an idea to

Perhaps it may be an idea to put a copy of the constitution on the Central Mosque website. 

In this way people can read it for themselves.

http://news.scotsman.com/opin

http://news.scotsman.com/opinion/Insight-Hear-our-voice.5846726.jp

I'm not sure we read the same article here. From my understanding they were obviously refused because of their gender, where is this technicality issue even coming from?

It is also rather evident that the constitution states that females can be members, therefore the problem isn't with the constitution but why this isn't happening in practice!

i think brother or sister

i think brother or sister admin is an imposter who just has a name as admin - the language and comments do not represent the mosque

I don't represent the Mosque.

I don't represent the Mosque. I represent the movement for common sense - we don't have many members.

Admin you say 'The problem is

Admin you say 'The problem is that every man and his dog who works or hangs around in the Mosque thinks he's boss for the day'

She didn't ask 'any man and his dog', she spoke to somebody who was working in the office. Surely the mosque is responsible for the actions of its employees? I would have thought giving out membership forms is such a basic task that really shouldn't have caused any bother at all! and if the mosque workers weren't sure then surely it is they who should have sought clarification before knocking somebody back.

I also find it rather strange that you expect somebody to go through 'procedures' yet it is ok for mosque employees not to have a scooby about basic aspects and procedures of the mosque. I think you represent the movement of double standards not common sense.

The problem lies in

The problem lies in separating theory from practice.

In theory, only employees/volunteers of the Mosque sit behind the desk in the Office, and all employees/volunteers are well-versed in the Constitution and Charity Law.

Maybe you haven't been to the Office, but I have. Any person can sit in the chair and give seemingly authoritative answers to questions/requests. The comments of most posters in this thread are assuming that women's lib spoke to an employee of the Mosque, and I'm not even going to argue on that point because it may be that you are correct.

My original objection was that this is a Mosque, not a social club or a company. If this had been women's lib's local bingo hall, the newspapers would never have published that article. Anything to do with Muslims or Mosques is dynamite, and this kind of article propagates the misconception that Muslim women are oppressed. As I said before, there are proper channels to explore before going to the Charity Commission and the Media. Why not go to the Charity Commission and leave the Media out of it? What purpose does the Media serve in this case?

I wonder if women's lib even knew that in theory a Mosque can refuse applications from women:

"Not-for-profit organisations are permitted to restrict their membership to people of one sex, and can provide benefits, facilities and services to those members."

Luckily for women's lib, it turns out that the Mosque's Constitution prohibits discrimination, but women's lib isn't quoted in the article as knowing that, although the writer does mention it.

The mosque is a registered

The mosque is a registered charity not a 'not-for-profit' organisation

The Mosque potentially fits

The Mosque potentially fits three of the equality exception categories. What is a charity or voluntary organisation? It is also a not-for-profit organisation because surplus funds are not distributed to members. A lot of these definitions overlap.

However, it doesn't look like women's lib checked any of:

  • Equality Law
  • Charity Law
  • Mosque Constitution

She got away with it, but not because she checked the facts.

There are a lot of gray areas

There are a lot of gray areas in this so it will be interesting to see what OSCR thinks of the situation

Brother Admin, The point is

Brother Admin,

The point is how Islamic is it for the Mosque Committee or members to refuse applications from women? This issue is not new and has been going on for years if not decades...

What is the point of entitlement if it is not carried out in practice? How do you know that the sisters don't feel oppressed?

I seem to remember brothers going to the papers last year regarding the mosque committee  and I don't remember seeing a comment from you complaining?

Contrast this issue with the comments of the users of the model mosque...brothers, you know what Allah has said in the Quran about oppression...

Yes, you may think I am being dramatic but please don't let your sisters down, this is an issue for all of us....

Those brothers went through

Those brothers went through the correct escalation procedure, i.e. writing to the Mosque Committee, writing to the Property Trustees... all of whom were ineffective at dealing with their issues.

In any case, the Mosque has a new management team - we should collectively ensure that it runs effectively. Every Muslim in Glasgow should write a letter to it stating their personal vision for the Mosque, so that it doesn't become another talking shop.

and how do you know they

and how do you know they didn't? 

didn't what?

didn't what?

re: your last comment how do

re: your last comment

how do you know thye didn't go through the correct escalation procedure?

That explains why I was

That explains why I was confused - I said they did go through it.

How do you know the womans

How do you know the womans campaign didn't go through correct escalation procedures and that those brothers did?

Because I know the Brothers

Because I know the Brothers being referred to and I also know people who know members of the Mosque Committee - and this girl's story was news to them when it hit the "headlines".

You say -"Those brothers went

You say -"Those brothers went through the correct escalation procedure, i.e. writing to the Mosque Committee, writing to the Property Trustees... all of whom were ineffective at dealing with their issues. "

If they weren't prepared to deal with the issue the brother had then what makes you think they would be effective at dealing with the sisters issue? 

If you know there is no point going down a certain route then why would you bother wasting your time?

 

how do you know so much about

how do you know so much about the mosque constituion/management commitee/procedure/brothers that compalined to the papers/what the sisters did?

u sound like an insider, are u the one that told the sister she could't join? Or the man who" thinks he is boss for the day"?

I like to keep my ears and

I like to keep my ears and nose close to the ground. Knowing the issues that are affecting us is better than sitting at home watching Eastenders.

I've been at the receiving end of the man who was boss for the day. I'm trying to do something about it. I suggest that you do too. If you send me a letter through the Contact Page, I'll print it and hand-deliver it to the Masjid.

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